Who has experience with Empress Tree? - silvopasture2024-03-28T12:10:14Zhttp://silvopasture.ning.com/forum/topics/who-has-experience-with-empress-tree?commentId=6457695%3AComment%3A90087&xg_source=activity&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, you right, but there is…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-07-02:6457695:Comment:909802019-07-02T11:39:24.449ZDr. Akos Bodnarhttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/DrAkosBodnar
<p>Yes, you right, but there is no much experiences about feeding P. leaves. Actually, I found only some related resources on the Internet and less scientific papers... So, we're planning to start a feeding trial with goats and sheep. As I can see in the above movie, cattle also feed mainly the leaves but not the leaf-stalk. It can be also because of its higher lignin content and - maybe - because of its taste. Feed preferance tests are also needed to find out the real reason.</p>
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<p>Yes, you right, but there is no much experiences about feeding P. leaves. Actually, I found only some related resources on the Internet and less scientific papers... So, we're planning to start a feeding trial with goats and sheep. As I can see in the above movie, cattle also feed mainly the leaves but not the leaf-stalk. It can be also because of its higher lignin content and - maybe - because of its taste. Feed preferance tests are also needed to find out the real reason.</p>
<p>As I can see, one of the best feeding solutions can be the P. leaf pellet which is mentioned in the publication titled "Potential_Use_of...". It was done in the U.S. and shows very nice results!</p>
<p>Other possibility can be the agroforestry/silvopasture. In this task, I'm just preparing a publication about Paulownia and Crotalaria spp. I'll share it when it will be accepted.</p>
<p>May I ask if anyone has photos about ruminants feeding Paulownia leaves for further use in publications (with referring, of course)?</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jonathan Bates said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://silvopasture.ning.com/forum/topics/who-has-experience-with-empress-tree#6457695Comment90087"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><span>Thanks for sharing those resources. It is my experience that the cattle are not interested in the Paulownia leaves until they start to turn yellow at the end of summer. You mention feeding leaves in the fall in the Nutritive Value article... Do you know why this is? I'm thinking it has something to do with lignin content in the leaves.</span><br/> <br/> <cite>Dr. Akos Bodnar said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://silvopasture.ning.com/forum/topics/who-has-experience-with-empress-tree?commentId=6457695%3AComment%3A90068&xg_source=msg_com_forum#6457695Comment87483"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Dear All,</p>
<p>I'm working on a new publication about feeding experiences of Paulownia leaves by small ruminants. It would be nice to discuss any kind of experiences, and additionally - of course by the general citation rules - to share nice photos for further use.</p>
<p>You can find here interesting publications about the topic:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325317303_Potential_Use_of_Multipurpose_Paulownia_elongata_Tree_as_an_Animal_Feed_Resource" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325317303_Potential_Use_of...</a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324983309_Nutritive_value_of_paulownia_Paulownia_SPP_hybrid_tree_leaves" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324983309_Nutritive_value_...</a></p>
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</blockquote> Thanks for sharing those reso…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-07-01:6457695:Comment:900872019-07-01T00:08:58.509ZJonathan Bateshttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/JonathanBates
<p><span>Thanks for sharing those resources. It is my experience that the cattle are not interested in the Paulownia leaves until they start to turn yellow at the end of summer. You mention feeding leaves in the fall in the Nutritive Value article... Do you know why this is? I'm thinking it has something to do with lignin content in the leaves.</span><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Dr. Akos Bodnar said:…</cite></p>
<p><span>Thanks for sharing those resources. It is my experience that the cattle are not interested in the Paulownia leaves until they start to turn yellow at the end of summer. You mention feeding leaves in the fall in the Nutritive Value article... Do you know why this is? I'm thinking it has something to do with lignin content in the leaves.</span><br/> <br/> <cite>Dr. Akos Bodnar said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://silvopasture.ning.com/forum/topics/who-has-experience-with-empress-tree?commentId=6457695%3AComment%3A90068&xg_source=msg_com_forum#6457695Comment87483"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Dear All,</p>
<p>I'm working on a new publication about feeding experiences of Paulownia leaves by small ruminants. It would be nice to discuss any kind of experiences, and additionally - of course by the general citation rules - to share nice photos for further use.</p>
<p>You can find here interesting publications about the topic:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325317303_Potential_Use_of_Multipurpose_Paulownia_elongata_Tree_as_an_Animal_Feed_Resource" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325317303_Potential_Use_of...</a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324983309_Nutritive_value_of_paulownia_Paulownia_SPP_hybrid_tree_leaves" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324983309_Nutritive_value_...</a></p>
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</blockquote> Hello Larry... The Paulownia…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-07-01:6457695:Comment:900852019-07-01T00:08:38.042ZJonathan Bateshttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/JonathanBates
<p>Hello Larry... The Paulownia picture of the goats is from a forage trial from North Carolina I believe, not my goats :) In some places Paulownia has naturalized yes, but it only seems to grow where there has been previous disturbance, and in the cold climate where I am growing it, the tree doesn't get big enough to set seed, as it dies back during the winter. Yes, I think goats would be a good candidate for eating Paulownia. So far, I've tried feeding fresh leaves to sheep, cattle, and pigs.…</p>
<p>Hello Larry... The Paulownia picture of the goats is from a forage trial from North Carolina I believe, not my goats :) In some places Paulownia has naturalized yes, but it only seems to grow where there has been previous disturbance, and in the cold climate where I am growing it, the tree doesn't get big enough to set seed, as it dies back during the winter. Yes, I think goats would be a good candidate for eating Paulownia. So far, I've tried feeding fresh leaves to sheep, cattle, and pigs. Only the cattle seemed interested after the tree started to senesce in the fall, and the leaves were yellow... I'm not sure but I believe some animals can smell the "woodiness" of the leaves, and prefer more tender plants during the growing season.<br/> <br/> <cite>Larry Ulfik said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://silvopasture.ning.com/forum/topics/who-has-experience-with-empress-tree?commentId=6457695%3AComment%3A90068&xg_source=msg_com_forum#6457695Comment90068"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Is the photo of your goats eating Paulownia? From where did you get it? Is it invasive? My Finnsheep are unusual in that they like to eat invasives like barberry, switchgrass, hickory leaves and twigs, oak leaves and twigs, willow leaves and twigs, and Japanese Knotweed. I'm pretty sure they would love to eat Paulownia too. I think I'd get run over if I were between a stand of that and my sheep.</p>
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</blockquote> Is the photo of your goats ea…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-06-30:6457695:Comment:900682019-06-30T21:58:45.110ZLarry Ulfikhttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/LarryUlfik
<p>Is the photo of your goats eating Paulownia? From where did you get it? Is it invasive? My Finnsheep are unusual in that they like to eat invasives like barberry, switchgrass, hickory leaves and twigs, oak leaves and twigs, willow leaves and twigs, and Japanese Knotweed. I'm pretty sure they would love to eat Paulownia too. I think I'd get run over if I were between a stand of that and my sheep.</p>
<p>Is the photo of your goats eating Paulownia? From where did you get it? Is it invasive? My Finnsheep are unusual in that they like to eat invasives like barberry, switchgrass, hickory leaves and twigs, oak leaves and twigs, willow leaves and twigs, and Japanese Knotweed. I'm pretty sure they would love to eat Paulownia too. I think I'd get run over if I were between a stand of that and my sheep.</p> Dear All,
I'm working on a ne…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-06-26:6457695:Comment:874832019-06-26T07:19:14.189ZDr. Akos Bodnarhttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/DrAkosBodnar
<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>I'm working on a new publication about feeding experiences of Paulownia leaves by small ruminants. It would be nice to discuss any kind of experiences, and additionally - of course by the general citation rules - to share nice photos for further use.</p>
<p>You can find here interesting publications about the topic:…</p>
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<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>I'm working on a new publication about feeding experiences of Paulownia leaves by small ruminants. It would be nice to discuss any kind of experiences, and additionally - of course by the general citation rules - to share nice photos for further use.</p>
<p>You can find here interesting publications about the topic:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325317303_Potential_Use_of_Multipurpose_Paulownia_elongata_Tree_as_an_Animal_Feed_Resource" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325317303_Potential_Use_of...</a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324983309_Nutritive_value_of_paulownia_Paulownia_SPP_hybrid_tree_leaves" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324983309_Nutritive_value_...</a></p> For those interested in utili…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-06-20:6457695:Comment:842212019-06-20T19:03:21.856ZJonathan Bateshttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/JonathanBates
<p>For those interested in utilizing Paulownia for feed for ruminants, although this paper is about rabbits, it seems that it could apply to other animals: <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/9/3/95/pdf" target="_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/9/3/95/pdf</a></p>
<p>For those interested in utilizing Paulownia for feed for ruminants, although this paper is about rabbits, it seems that it could apply to other animals: <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/9/3/95/pdf" target="_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/9/3/95/pdf</a></p> It took me almost an hour to…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-01-27:6457695:Comment:222032019-01-27T03:51:22.284ZShana Hansonhttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/ShanaHanson231
<p>It took me almost an hour to get the type to not jump and send out that response. Trying again. I have paulownia seeds, and curious what your cattle say for its season of palatability. Goats here can eat fresh poplar from large trees but not small (until after frost), and dried only when cut after frost, yet cattle and sheep ate all dried poplars - not a related tree, but just an example of anti-feedant issues. All livestock loved ENSILED poplars. Phone voicemail or contact encouraged -…</p>
<p>It took me almost an hour to get the type to not jump and send out that response. Trying again. I have paulownia seeds, and curious what your cattle say for its season of palatability. Goats here can eat fresh poplar from large trees but not small (until after frost), and dried only when cut after frost, yet cattle and sheep ate all dried poplars - not a related tree, but just an example of anti-feedant issues. All livestock loved ENSILED poplars. Phone voicemail or contact encouraged - get migraines if read much on screen. 207 338-3301</p> Tree anti-feedant chemicals c…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2019-01-27:6457695:Comment:224022019-01-27T03:43:34.950ZShana Hansonhttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/ShanaHanson231
<p>Tree anti-feedant chemicals can be broken down by ensiling the leaves (sealing air out- many ways to do, quite traditional for cows and hogs). Also heat (cooking, traditionally in water), and or pressure (pelletizing, for instance) can work. </p>
<p>Tree anti-feedant chemicals can be broken down by ensiling the leaves (sealing air out- many ways to do, quite traditional for cows and hogs). Also heat (cooking, traditionally in water), and or pressure (pelletizing, for instance) can work. </p> Video documentation of Shelte…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2018-11-01:6457695:Comment:215512018-11-01T13:32:19.012ZJonathan Bateshttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/JonathanBates
<p>Video documentation of Shelterbelt Farm beef cattle finally enjoying Paulownia!</p>
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<p>Video documentation of Shelterbelt Farm beef cattle finally enjoying Paulownia!</p>
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<p></p> Hello Brett. Yes! Dairyone nu…tag:silvopasture.ning.com,2018-11-01:6457695:Comment:215502018-11-01T13:27:32.588ZJonathan Bateshttp://silvopasture.ning.com/profile/JonathanBates
<p>Hello Brett. Yes! Dairyone nutritional analysis is a good idea... how to pay for the testing... hmmm? There is definitely something about these leaves that are confusing to livestock. When I try feeding them to pigs, sheep, cattle, I can see that they are seriously considering it. The cattle at Shelterbelt Farm waited until late in the season this year to actually consider it a food, and it took one steers' eating it to get them all going. As for establishment. I did a grow trial this year…</p>
<p>Hello Brett. Yes! Dairyone nutritional analysis is a good idea... how to pay for the testing... hmmm? There is definitely something about these leaves that are confusing to livestock. When I try feeding them to pigs, sheep, cattle, I can see that they are seriously considering it. The cattle at Shelterbelt Farm waited until late in the season this year to actually consider it a food, and it took one steers' eating it to get them all going. As for establishment. I did a grow trial this year with willow, popular, linden, locust, ash, Paulownia, mulberry... and Paulownia grew at least twice as tall with 4 times as much biomass as any of the other trees. It seems to me if livestock gain weight with this tree, and our climate keeps warming, it becomes a premier silvopasture tree. With that said, this wet year will be a real test for my tree. I've read that Paulownia does not like wet winter feet. WELL, we are gonna have wet winter feet this year in my test area. If my tree survives and grows to 15 feet again next spring I will be extremely impressed.</p>
<p>Can you say more about how your Paulownia took years to get established, as compared to what, with any kind of browse pressure? And, you said the goats polished it off... I'm assuming you didn't move the goats after a day or two and let the trees rest during a long rotation? Was the tree in full sun, or in the shade of black locust?<br/> <br/> <cite>Brett Chedzoy said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://silvopasture.ning.com/forum/topics/who-has-experience-with-empress-tree?commentId=6457695%3AComment%3A21227&xg_source=msg_com_forum#6457695Comment21227"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It'd be interesting to send some samples at different times of the year to the dairyone lab for nutritional analysis.</p>
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<p>We had a Paulownia here at our farm for years till it frosted back during a bad winter and the goats polished off the sprouts. Took years for it to get established.</p>
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